One of the smartest and most literate songwriters in music, National frontman Matt Berninger is one of the only artists who could make the connection between Megan Thee Stallion and Cardi B. "WAP" and Robert Mapplethorpe.

"Robert Mapplethorpe was using art and beauty and photographs to try to get people around him to understand him and specifically even if 90 percent of the photos were of flowers some of them were about very graphic sexual things from Robert Mapplethorpe expressing a sexual side of himself and that is what 'WAP' is doing," Berninger explains on this week's People Have The Power.

It's just one of the many amazing insights from Berninger in this fascinating conversation.