When Lorde was growing up in New Zealand, the music David Byrne made with Talking Heads opened her mind to all of the ways - some wonderful, some strange - that you could express yourself in a pop song. Byrne, for his part, is a big Lorde fan. The two sat down in Brooklyn this summer to talk about the secret to writing a deep pop song, life without social media and even the best way to eat a grapefruit. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices